Andrew: 0:10

welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another exciting episode of seeking season two. I am your host, andrew, and across the table from me is my co-host, catherine Catherine. Hello, catherine, it's me. So here at Seeking Season 2, we are discussing all sorts of television shows that have only received a single season and see if they deserve a season two. They were canceled after the first season or somewhere within their first, as as we're covering here in season one of seeking season two. Keep track we are talking about a show called wonder falls.

Catherine: 0:54

Sorry, all I can think about now is Sam Eagle and Muppet vision three day.

Andrew: 0:58

Yes.

Catherine: 0:58

Rest in peace Pour one out for Muppet vision three day.

Andrew: 1:01

Yes.

Catherine: 1:03

It's a tribute to all nations, but mostly America, but mostly America, but mostly America. I don't know why we're talking about all of the shows, all of the shows, but mostly Wonderfalls.

Andrew: 1:15

We're talking about all the shows that got cancelled after one season, but for now Wonderfalls. That is correct, alright.

Catherine: 1:26

I don't know where my brain goes. Who knows? No one.

Andrew: 1:29

No one is going to try to understand either. So today we are talking about Muffin Buffalo, episode 6, muffin Buffalo Muffin Buffalo. So this is now the one of the we're getting into the episodes that did not air in the United States, right, did air in Canada. So to all of you in Canada who have seen this, or to those in the United States who have purchased the DVDs or watch it on YouTube or wherever else, you'll know what we're talking about. So this was an interesting episode. So let's talk about some of the people that directed it, starred in it. Okay, so this was directed by Craig Zisk. Emmy nominated. Emmy nominated, emmy nominated. There we go. I can say that Emmy nominated for both Weeds and Larry Sanders Huh, interesting, yes, did not win an Emmy, won a BAFTA, apparently, but did not win an Emmy. It was multiple Emmy nominations. Pretty talented guy. Apparently it was written again by Gretchen J Berg and Aaron Harberts. They're the writing duo that wrote several of the episodes of Wonder Falls.

Andrew: 3:00

I would venture to say that on this one they hit a little bit more of a groove groove, even though I found many things about this very insulting as a person hit a couple sour notes, but but they're definitely I I definitely think we'll get into it, but I mean I think it was it was a really the the the characters of jay and aaron are really starting to gel well together. I feel like they're getting the dynamic of the characters down pretty well.

Catherine: 3:35

Yeah, they're definitely a lot better. I am, of course, confusing episodes in my head again, because we are doing another two today, but this is the one where she becomes employee of the month, right.

Andrew: 3:50

I believe this is the one where she becomes employee of the month. Yes, this is the one where she's doing all the good deeds. Yes, here it is. She stapled the shoelace.

Catherine: 4:04

Yes.

Andrew: 4:05

Saved a baby, yep.

Catherine: 4:06

She's not a baby saver. Stop clapping.

Andrew: 4:12

It was very funny.

Catherine: 4:13

The fondue dinner, with Sharon just merrily eating fondue while everything is melting down around them.

Andrew: 4:20

Really.

Catherine: 4:20

I enjoyed that.

Andrew: 4:21

Absolutely so. We'll dive into all the details of this episode. But Aaron Harberts interestingly enough he was an exec producer on a favorite of yours, zoe's Extraordinary Playlist Great show. Yeah he did that Star Trek Discovery. He was an exec producer on for a time and also Pushing Daisies.

Catherine: 4:45

Which is shocking.

Andrew: 4:46

I know another, Brian Fuller production.

Catherine: 4:47

Yeah, because Brian Fuller likes to keep people around, brian Fuller.

Andrew: 4:51

Yes, indeed, the Brian Fuller universe, the Fullerverse. Yes, the Fuller Brushman. So some of the Sorry, anyway, so some of the guest stars on this one, eddie k thomas yeah, as I hate to say it, fat pat, that is how he is credited in imdb. Fat squatch, fat squatch, the. What was it? The portly chupacabra?

Catherine: 5:23

So bad, oh my God.

Andrew: 5:26

There are several names for this character.

Catherine: 5:28

I hope to God there's no one out there who calls me fat cat.

Andrew: 5:32

No, no one would never. They would never dare.

Catherine: 5:35

You don't know. Yeah, they better not dare. I'll fucking sit on them.

Andrew: 5:40

They wouldn't live long. I mean this is this is. I mean this is better than Eddie K Thomas' other well-known acting gig as Shit Break from the popular American Pie. American Pie, yeah, so he's moving up in the world.

Catherine: 6:03

I have to say I do not find Eddie K Thomas convincing as a guy who lost 300 pounds.

Andrew: 6:12

Yeah, that was a bit of a stretch Like okay, getting off track. So far off the beat, I know. I mean when you see him half naked, I mean that's exactly where I was going to go.

Catherine: 6:28

They had a whole scene where Jay and Mahondra talk about how much skin he must have Right, and then they show him half naked and there's no hanging skin. No, I mean, you can hide the skin. If you've lost 100 pounds, I would know If you lose 300 pounds there's no hiding that skin. His arms would be saggy. His chest would be saggy. His belly would be saggy. He'd just have a ton of extra skin and I don't think he had the money for skin removal surgery living in a trailer park.

Andrew: 7:00

Well, considering that he never left the trailer, that's fair. I mean, I doubt he would have gone for skin removal surgery. But anyway, eddie K Thomas is Patrick, not the starfish Fat Pat, fat Pat and Beth Grant. Yeah, beth Grant as Marianne Marie Beadle.

Catherine: 7:22

Yep.

Andrew: 7:24

I mean I say probably would anyone recognize her by her name, beth grant. I don't know, she's like one of those.

Catherine: 7:30

Hey, it's that person she is, she's a she's a great character actress because I recognized I've seen her in a million things, yeah, as soon as you see her, like you, you recognize her, but she's not I feel like I'd recognize her just by her voice. You could.

Andrew: 7:43

You could recognize her by her voice. She's got a very feel like I'd recognize her just by her voice. You could. You could recognize her by her voice. She's got a very I don't want to say distinctive voice, but she was on.

Catherine: 7:49

Jericho. Do you remember her from Jericho?

Andrew: 7:53

Vaguely, Vaguely. I remember her on Jericho, but yeah, I mean, like I said, I mean she's been in a million things, I'm sure.

Catherine: 8:02

Oh yeah.

Andrew: 8:04

But again it's a hey, it's that person. It's like, oh, that person sure.

Catherine: 8:10

This is very appropriate. In film, she is best known for her roles as Mother at Farmhouse in Rain man.

Andrew: 8:21

That sounds about right.

Catherine: 8:22

I mean, she has just tons and tons of credits. Good for her.

Andrew: 8:27

Well, here she is, the owner of Muffin Buffalo.

Catherine: 8:33

The well-known Muffin Buffalo.

Andrew: 8:35

Well-known Muffin Buffalo. All right, so let's take the deep dive into the synopsis Of Muffin Buffalo, yes, into the synopsis of, yes, what you, what you said, muffin buffalo. So synopsis is that jay tries to help a shut-in neighbor re-enter society, while the muses tell her not to give another neighbor her disability checks that were delivered to jay by mistake. So so the, the shut-in neighbor is I, I think, the original name. Well, because they they've never really seen, they've never seen this person, right, they assume I think they're assuming it's a guy.

Catherine: 9:23

I think based on the pictures you could kind of tell it was a guy.

Andrew: 9:28

And I guess they assume that he's a big person, a great, big, fat person.

Catherine: 9:32

Well she had tons of pictures of him being a great big fat person. Did she really have pictures?

Andrew: 9:37

Yes, I thought they were all just like blurry shots, but there are some of them where you can see he's a big dude walking around, got it.

Catherine: 9:45

Yeah, because she has three albums of photos. Oh yes, one's labeled Fat Pat, one's labeled Fat Squatch. Did they ever say what the third one was?

Andrew: 9:55

labeled? I don't think they did.

Catherine: 9:58

It says Pat Pat and that says Pat Squatch, which is what you thought she was saying. Anyway, it was not, it was Fat Squatch and I was offended.

Andrew: 10:08

Yes, it is, yes, definitely not aged well.

Catherine: 10:18

Yeah.

Andrew: 10:19

I mean, using weight as a punchline is just not a good thing.

Catherine: 10:26

It's funny though, because now it's all about Ozempic right Like now. Ozempic is the punchline Right.

Andrew: 10:32

Exactly. So what else? So what was your kind of, what were some of the key events? So, obviously, which is great because they they show that aaron and jay are are together again. Yeah, they've partnered up, which kind of plays into the subplot of, yeah, of aaron. Um, so again nice to see aaron and jay back together, again teaming up. Yeah, he's, he's keeping a very close eye on her. So, would you say the main plot is Pat there's a lot going on in this episode.

Andrew: 11:17

There is a lot going on in this episode. So Pat, I think Pat and there's multiple subplots, yeah, and so there's multiple subplots, yeah, so there's Pat is the obvious big plot of trying to get him back into society and whatever. But that's not really the thing is. That's not what the muses are concerned about, right? The muses are concerned about Muffin Buffalo not giving her, her not giving Marianne.

Catherine: 11:47

Yeah, isn't it like? I just remember her calling her Mrs Beattie, over and over Marianne Marie.

Andrew: 11:54

Marianne Marie. Marianne Marie Beetle is the last name Beetle, beetle. Yes, Beetle is the last name.

Catherine: 11:59

Okay.

Andrew: 12:00

So, yeah, so the muses, the Muffin Buffalo, tells jay not to give her the disability checks. Don't give them to her, which actually ties into the main plot. Right, it wraps that up in the end.

Catherine: 12:19

Yes, the the sub sub plot is aaron's existential, but then there's also the whole part where Jay is like being a hero and doesn't want to be like Jay as reluctant hero.

Andrew: 12:33

Jay is reluctant hero. There's a lot going on in this episode. I think that's what makes it interesting. I mean more interesting because there's it involves a lot of people in different ways. So I think it does a better job of bringing the whole cast kind of together in different areas. So it's not so kind of lopsided in the writing.

Andrew: 12:59

Yeah so let's go into, let's talk about the main plot, which is I'll say it's a double main plot of getting Pat out, because that just kind of happens there was a whole lot of people busting into other people's trailers without permission.

Catherine: 13:24

there was a whole lot of people like busting into other people's trailers without permission there there was a lot of that.

Andrew: 13:30

There was a lot of that going on, but the whole thing, the whole thing of trying I think trying to it was it was interesting, cause you cause you talk about Jay being the reluctant hero this episode, but she, she sincerely fails at the one thing she's trying to do.

Catherine: 13:51

Good, like help pat, help pat, yeah, she she distinctly, because all of the other stuff is unintentional yes, all the all those other stuff is unintentional, well.

Andrew: 14:06

Well, I mean she listens to the mute because she listens to the muse about stapling the shoelace right.

Catherine: 14:11

So I mean it's sort of intentional because she's the one that did it she doesn't mean to catch that baby, though, and what she can do with the baby fall hit the ground.

Andrew: 14:20

There was no one else to catch the baby. Jay might have let the baby fall. Jay might have been. Jay might have been a sidestepper and just she's not a baby catcher, she's not a baby catcher, um, so, so there there's.

Andrew: 14:34

There's a whole lot going on, but the main plot, yeah, is really her trying to convince pat to get back out into society and rejoin society and realize that. I think she's trying to get him to realize, because he's got this kind of body dysmorphia, that he always sees him 300 pounds heavier than he actually is, so he doesn't.

Andrew: 15:00

And 12 pounds from his goal weight 12 pounds from his goal weight, so he doesn't see himself as being attractive or thin or anything like that. So it's like once he gets out into society he starts realizing that other people are saying those things to him and he kind of has the realization that maybe he is I mean, he's still obsessed with the goal weight he's obsessed with the goal weight.

Andrew: 15:31

He is obviously just painfully bad with people like he's just awkward well, he's basically been a shut-in most of his life, living and living in that trailer.

Catherine: 15:46

So I mean the misunderstanding about jay taking him home to meet her parents. And then you know poor eric basically telling eric that you know jay's obsessed with him. She's been taking pictures of him for years, right, and then showing up naked in her bed uninvited. Yes, it's just a very like 12 year old boy's view of what a relationship is.

Andrew: 16:15

Well, again, I think he's got probably a little bit of stunted development, yeah.

Catherine: 16:20

And then you find the one person worse than Jay's whole family. He's so competitive.

Andrew: 16:26

Oh man, that's amazing.

Catherine: 16:27

And Sharon is so happy she's finally winning.

Andrew: 16:32

He's really bringing out Sharon's competitive streak, as Darren says, which I think is interesting. Yeah, they get really Pat and Sharon really get.

Catherine: 16:47

Yeah.

Andrew: 16:47

Really get into it, which is interesting.

Catherine: 16:51

Yeah, um.

Andrew: 16:54

What else is so and and so then kind of the tie into that plot is is the whole muffin Buffalo storyline right? Which is Marianne Marie, is it Marianne?

Catherine: 17:09

Yeah, marianne Marie Beatle yeah.

Andrew: 17:11

Marianne. Marie Beatle comes over and pushes her way into the, into Jay's trailer, because she can't find her, she's not getting her disability checks and they're trying to evict her from the trailer park. Right, and the muffin buffalo on Marianne's apron tells Jay not to give her the checks. Mm-hmm, jay doesn't know why and she's kind of conflicted because it doesn't seem like it seems like the wrong thing to do, is not like this woman needs her checks, so but but Jay, jay goes along with the muse and does not, does not give the checks to Marianne initially, um, and so that leads into the whole.

Andrew: 18:00

It winds up in the end because marianne has been, marianne is a baker she's been baking these, these muffins, um, and in the end, jay finally does give her the checks, the disability checks, right, and marianne really realizes that she never could have saved up this much money, because she uses all that money in the disability checks to, like, launch her business.

Catherine: 18:25

Yep.

Andrew: 18:27

And interesting, and I hate to say I say that too much. Interestingly. I say interestingly enough. I had to cut it out of the last episode like five times. I say it too damn much Anyway.

Catherine: 18:41

Well, I want the audience to know I'm paying attention to you, so I say yeah constantly.

Andrew: 18:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Catherine: 18:48

Should I do it with jazz hands from now on? Yeah, yeah, maybe I'll just say it differently every time.

Andrew: 18:55

Yeah, I say, I turned it, I turned that down. What?

Catherine: 19:00

was it. Oh my God, Please cut all of that out.

Andrew: 19:11

Not a chance. So, anyway, what happens is that, because of what Jay does to Pat, pat has this kind of meltdown and and just get, doesn't, just doesn't give a fuck anymore, but what?

Catherine: 19:30

what Jay does to Pat is really just reject him he rejects him, but I mean yeah, but because Pat has some level of stunted development.

Andrew: 19:40

But Pat also sees the. I don't think he saw the. When did he see the photo albums? Oh, in the very beginning. In the very beginning, yeah.

Catherine: 19:47

Because, remember, she goes to see what's going on in Marianne Marie's trailer. Oh, that's right. And there's smoke because, she left to go pick up the neighbor or whatever, and he's in Jay's trailer going through the photo albums.

Andrew: 20:00

That's right.

Catherine: 20:02

And she tries to pull off Pat Pat and. Pat Squatch, pat Squatch.

Andrew: 20:07

Pat Squatch. So he just gets pissed because he got rejected and he misinterpreted her intentions as being attracted to her and to him and he gets all mad. He thought she had amorous intentions. Yes which she did not. So he goes on a binge of eating tons of Marianne Marie Beatles muffins, her muffin, buffalo muffins.

Catherine: 20:37

And I got to tell you I really did relate to the next part, because I think every overweight person has gone through the period where they're like I'll just eat sugar-free stuff. Except he didn't know that she was using like a low fat fat, fat, fat substitute. And those cause massive gastrointestinal distress.

Andrew: 21:00

And enough so that he lost 13 pounds.

Catherine: 21:03

And ended up in the hospital.

Andrew: 21:04

Ended up in the hospital, losing 13 pounds and hitting his goal weight.

Catherine: 21:08

But also giving Marianne Marie.

Andrew: 21:11

A spokesperson Yep For her muffins.

Catherine: 21:14

And a new advertising yes, Gimmick, basically that they're for weight loss.

Andrew: 21:20

Yes, exactly. So it ended up everything, everything in those two plot lines, storylines, really kind of tied up nice and nice and neat. Yeah it was. It was messy, there was a lot going on, which was which I don't think, and again I thought it was a well-written episode as far as that's concerned, like again, again using using weight as a punchline.

Catherine: 21:43

Sure Sucked Made me feel real bad Right.

Andrew: 21:46

That was that.

Catherine: 21:47

that part was wasn't great, but Didn't love it, but it, you know, it was so consistent in that time period Absolutely, I mean.

Andrew: 22:00

But I think I think the, I think think the writing was solid. It tied a lot of loose ends together. Um yeah, so you had.

Catherine: 22:04

Jay is the reluctant reluctant heroine reluctant heroine employee of the month employee ended up becoming employee of the month. Sharon got that balloon bouquet when she made partner. That's right that.

Andrew: 22:16

That was too funny, um, but yeah, like, like I find it. I found it fascinating that really, jay was like suddenly, just like on top of listening to what listening and doing whatever the muses said in this episode.

Catherine: 22:33

And I do think this episode was a turning point for her, where I think she's gone from. I'm going insane, but I'll do what they say because they won't shut up to.

Andrew: 22:43

There's got to be some reason behind this, so I'm going to start listening to them yeah, she doesn't, because I think we'll touch on that in the next episode when I think mahondra or someone asks is it, is it because of guilt? Like do you feel guilty? Right, and she was like kind of sort of. So it's like she, she knows there's some purpose, some reason that this is happening, but she doesn't quite. She knows, she knows that that much at this point that there there is a purpose. She just doesn't know what that purpose is per se which I think is a nice segue to Aaron's subplot.

Catherine: 23:18

Ooh I love this.

Andrew: 23:20

Yeah, I loved this so much.

Catherine: 23:22

Where it is basically revealed that, well, yes, he is this like permanent theology, student Right, his whole Comparative religion. Yeah, reason for being his whole kind of like outlook on life is that there is nothing he's like firmly an atheist and he's comfortable with that. But the fact that jay is hearing these voices leads him to believe that there might be something bigger and that is giving him this whole like crisis of conscience crisis of faith?

Andrew: 24:00

yeah, like it was. It was really interesting, like his whole conversation with the therapist.

Catherine: 24:05

Yeah um, who has really put out that? Jay still has the book?

Andrew: 24:08

yes, but it was. It was really interesting to to listen to him. He was like he's like meaninglessness and meaninglessness. He's like he's like I understand this. He's like I getlessness and meaninglessness.

Andrew: 24:19

He's like I understand this. He's like I get that, I get that life is meaningless. He's like but the fact that these objects are talking to her gives the possibility that there is meaning in this world, and he's like that just blows his mind. He's like I can't wrap his head around. What meaning could there be? So it's really very interesting. He can't wrap his head around what meaning could there be, right? So it's really very interesting. I love his character now, just in the last couple episodes of really kind of trying to wrap his head around about what's really going on here.

Catherine: 24:53

Yeah.

Andrew: 24:55

He truly believes that these objects are talking to her.

Catherine: 24:58

Yeah.

Andrew: 24:58

Because I love when he sets the creamer out. The cow creamer out With the head reattached, with the head reattached, and she looks over and he's like you're talking to it, aren't you, yep?

Catherine: 25:13

And he's baiting her, trying to test her to see what's going on, what's fascinating, and some of this is getting into the next episode briefly, but is that he believes her right and he doesn't think she's crazy. He believes that she is talking to these things right, he believes that she is getting these messages, and then you've got mahondra, who and we'll talk about this more in the next episode- but, whose feelings are hurt because she feels like she's being shut out by whatever is going on with Jay.

Catherine: 25:45

Right, but when Jay tells her the truth, mahandra doesn't believe her. She's not ready to hear it Right.

Andrew: 25:49

Yeah, yeah, that was interesting in the next episode, which we will touch upon in a couple of weeks.

Catherine: 25:56

Yeah, or you know, in our case in a couple of minutes a couple of minutes, yeah, so, so again.

Andrew: 26:04

So the subplots, so it was interesting, like to me, um, the whole, the whole Aaron Aaron thing. But he really starts, I mean he ends up becoming like the, like the cow creamer coming unglued. Yeah, um, that, the fact that there's potentially meaning in this world, because that that just it's. It's funny. He's like again, I get, I get life being meaningless because that's his, that's been his whole thing, his whole life, that life is meaningless, right, and now suddenly there is meaning, there is potentially meaning, and he's like what are the ramifications of meaning in this world? Right, and it'll be interesting. I'll be interested to see how that plays out the rest of the season. That's really what I'm looking forward to and I hope they touch on it again, cause he's talked to a therapist now.

Andrew: 27:03

It would have been interesting when, with the episode with the priest like if, if, if that had come later in the in the series, if he'd had a conversation with the priest as well about, about all of this. Yeah, but, um, that didn't happen. Um, so what else? What else? What other like little sub stories, storylines and things did you enjoy in this, in this episode?

Catherine: 27:33

So you want me to give you some of my favorites.

Andrew: 27:34

Well, not the favorites yet, but just just the storylines themselves. What, what else else, what other? What else stood out to you in in the storyline?

Catherine: 27:41

I think I spoke about it briefly, but um yeah uh, eric, poor eric. He's so into her and he looks so broken hearted when Pat is going on and on about this relationship that doesn't exist, right, um, I also there was the other, the other piece that we didn't really talk about in the series of events that happened. So she staples the shoelace, she saves the baby, she finds the ring.

Andrew: 28:19

Well, she doesn't find the ring. The mother finds the ring. The ring is in the stroller.

Catherine: 28:24

And then excuse me when they're at the barrel.

Andrew: 28:30

Yes, Is it?

Catherine: 28:31

big mouth, billy Bass, who tells her to give Mahandra a chair because her feet are hurting Yep, and of course Jay doesn't give her her own, she takes the one next to her and the guy falls but ends up not losing his sobriety because he realizes he was given the wrong drink.

Andrew: 28:49

He's like I smell like rum. He's like wait, there was rum in my drink.

Catherine: 28:54

And that was a whole big thing. It had been switched with the guy next to him. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Andrew: 28:58

Yeah, so he's like where are you going? I'm going to a meeting, which which I'll say. I'll say briefly, I thought it was nice because they didn't, they didn't make fun of it, yeah which which I thought was for this show. Yeah for this show, which I thought was good. You know it was. Yeah. It was the one moment when he's like I'm going to a meeting and there wasn't a punchline to him going to an AA meeting.

Catherine: 29:22

I just thought he was going to be calling his sponsor because he had his phone out. So when?

Andrew: 29:26

they were like where are you?

Catherine: 29:26

going and he had the phone out. I was expecting him to be like I'm calling my sponsor, but instead it was I'm going to a meeting, like you're calling 411.

Andrew: 29:36

I don't know.

Catherine: 29:36

Get me the number for AA.

Andrew: 29:38

Maybe he was calling a sponsor to find out where the meeting is. Maybe he should have said that Well, the writer's room. You weren't in the writer's room.

Catherine: 29:48

That's on you, Maybe they should ask me to they should have.

Andrew: 29:50

They should have go back in time, go back in time and stop them. And if I was going, to go back in time.

Catherine: 29:57

I don't think the first thing I would do is go to the Wonderfalls writer's room Going to go back in time.

Andrew: 30:05

Anyway, see, no one will get that reference. I don't think anybody would get that reference. Kevin Nealon, michael J Fox, in an elevator on Saturday Night Live. Is that going to go back in time? It's funny that we bring that up back to the future, because this morning I put on Apple Music and it's like Andrew's mix or something like that, sure, and just pulls random stuff that I've listened to or I may be interested to. Yeah, and Power of Love by Huey Lewis, and the News was on this morning. So just wrapping that all up. So let's talk about favorite moments, moments, highlights of of this episode. What do you got?

Catherine: 31:00

I'm trying to remember, cause it was in the middle of Marianne Marie's whole thing about the diet industry where she yells sick I'll Jenny Craig.

Andrew: 31:10

I totally missed that. Oh my God.

Catherine: 31:16

That's so good, and that was both bold and hilarious oh, she deserves an award. I'm reading a av club review yes she deserves an award for her delivery of well sick hile miss jenny craig that's amazing.

Andrew: 31:35

I am so sad I missed that. I'm going to re-watch the episode just so I can catch that.

Catherine: 31:39

It's when he's like downing all the muffins yeah, I remember the mention of Jenny Craig.

Andrew: 31:45

I just didn't catch the Kyle there, so that's really good.

Catherine: 31:51

I loved. I loved that the fat replacement thing may cause fecal, urgency, fecal urgency. Because it's so true.

Andrew: 32:11

Coming to the stage fecal urgency. Ladies and gentlemen, oh, my God. Yes.

Catherine: 32:19

I already talked about the fact that I loved Sharon just downing the fondue. She was just so happy, so happy with her fondue.

Andrew: 32:27

Which will just I'll tie in one of my favorite lines when you got to that. So the mother, when they were at the game night or whatever, when Pat was over, sharon was a husky girl.

Catherine: 32:41

That's right. I forgot about Sharon being a husky girl. Maybe that's why she likes that fondue. Taffy apples I liked when they were talking about how it was going to make the Christmas card. Jay got employee of the month and she goes. I wish it wouldn't.

Andrew: 33:00

I wish it wouldn't. Oh, poor J. So what else?

Catherine: 33:06

Those were my major yeah.

Andrew: 33:11

So for me, again, not nice making fun of overweight people, Obviously I get that, but Fat Squ squash was like. And the port, don't forget the portly Chupacabra.

Catherine: 33:24

Portly Chupacabra is pretty funny, actually, I also. I thought it was very interesting that the whole gag with the broken axle yes, like the trailer is just constantly going back and forth, but like that's all it was. It never paid off in any way, it was just a broken axle.

Andrew: 33:40

No, I know, I was waiting for, waiting for something to happen, but nope, but nothing. Um, and I just, I just loved the. It was the barrel bear. Yep, um, he just goes untied, shoelace, staple it, and she does it like it was just like.

Catherine: 33:58

because she's learning, there's no point in fighting with them.

Andrew: 34:02

It was clear to the point untied shoelace, staple it. And she did it. It was great. I like in the next episode when it was the barrel bear, she's yelling at him like you really need to work on your pronouns because he's refers to everyone I think is her.

Andrew: 34:27

yeah, but there's so many, so many female characters yeah it's like she can't keep track of who is, yeah, who is who. And then the other thing that I really loved, because again I love the storyline of Aaron wrapping his head around all this meaning to what's going on with Jay. Yeah, he's talking with the therapist and then it's like the whole series of events and and he, the therapist, goes, it's cracked, right. I think he says it's cracked, I think so, yes, and and Aaron is like I know he's like it just doesn't make sense. He goes, no, the cow creamer is cracked.

Andrew: 35:15

And and then the head falls off of the cow creamer and it's like this kind of like Rube Goldberg, kind of like series of events that happens knocks the books. The books end up getting knocked off the the desk, which is probably because the the bookend isn't there and the the two books land on the land on the ground. It says cow talk.

Catherine: 35:40

Yes.

Andrew: 35:41

And Aaron's like oh, my God.

Catherine: 35:44

Everything's a sign.

Andrew: 35:47

So that's the thing is like. Again another sign. He's like and again, is that a sign? Is it not a sign? It's like he's having this, this, this, this battle going on in his head. Is there meaning to this? Is there not meaning to this? What is going on? He's like do I read into this? Do I not read into this? What do I do? I also, I thought it was a great little scene of just everything kind of happening and then cow talk.

Catherine: 36:10

I do want to point out, and this really has nothing to do with anything Lee Pace is wearing a leather blazer, which not a fan of a leather blazer, but Lee Pace can pull off a leather blazer.

Andrew: 36:23

Lee Pace. Could I'd like to see Lee Pace pull off a few things.

Catherine: 36:30

Young Lee Pace I mean current day Lee Pace also very attractive but he is, he is, he is aging like a fine wine.

Andrew: 36:37

Yeah, yes, he is. Anyway, he's aging like a fine wine. Yeah, yes, he is.

Catherine: 36:41

Anyway, completely off topic but still worth discussing. I mean drooling over Lee Pace. Is it ever really off topic?

Andrew: 36:50

No.

Catherine: 36:51

No.

Andrew: 36:52

So oh my.

Catherine: 36:57

Apologies to our apparently more than three listeners. That's right, we didn't kill them with the free basing.

Andrew: 37:07

Oh my God, andrew got a new soundboard If you're still listening to us after the free basing conversation. Thank you for sticking with us. So talk about what did not work. We, we, we already know we've killed the yeah, yeah, um, oh.

Catherine: 37:28

When pat gets rejected and starts calling her an evil bitch, the level of vitriol with which he delivered those lines man, I was like I don't care who you are.

Catherine: 37:46

It is amazing to me that Jay continued to try to help him after that, because if someone called me an evil bitch like that, I'd be like fuck you and I'm out, right. So I really hated that. Um, I didn't think it was very befitting of his character. The whole thing was supposed to be that. He had low self-esteem, so I don't understand why they chose to make him so angry yeah, eddie k thomas made some interesting choices in the delivery of his lines like that.

Andrew: 38:20

That was probably the only weak point. Yeah, his character was the. He was a very inconsistent character in this, in this episode. Yeah, that's probably the only inconsistent piece to a relatively consistent, consistently written episode and I think some of that to your point might be his acting choices.

Catherine: 38:41

Yes, Because he could have been like you're just an evil bitch. Like instead of you're an evil bitch. I was like oh my God, Right, Like he. I would have been terrified if I cause he's tall, I would have been terrified if I were in a room with a, a much larger man and not fat like tall and imposing yelling at me that I was an evil bitch.

Andrew: 39:02

Right, that would have bothered me that could have gone sideways really fast Cause she's not big, so like yeah. Yeah.

Catherine: 39:09

Um, so that was one that I didn't love.

Andrew: 39:12

You know, my, my, my one pickup from from this is when he referred to the tranny and the wheelchair.

Catherine: 39:18

Hmm, who then turns out to just be an old man with like a scarf covering his head and makeup on Like give me a break again, again, early, two thousands problems, yeah, yeah.

Andrew: 39:36

It's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's, it's. It's fascinating how, over the last two decades, things have really, yeah, really changed significantly.

Catherine: 39:44

Yeah, yeah For the better, obviously. Oh, I would say yes. I mean, do I think sometimes it goes too far in the opposite direction? Yes, but I think there are certain parts of this that I just found downright offensive, and it's like I've been a fat person. I've been a not fat person. I am currently a fat person. I really hope to God no one out there is calling me fat squash.

Andrew: 40:09

No.

Catherine: 40:11

I thought you were going to call me fat squash. The way you leaned into the microphone. I'm like he's going to do it. He's going to do it. I said Pat squash.

Andrew: 40:23

I mean, I said I said pat squash, we are divorced, it's not like I could divorce you again, so withhold visitation from the cats right, I'll take my, I'll take that house key back. That's right all right, so let's talk about so again. So it's that. That, I think, is what some of the definitely things that didn't work. I think overall it was the episode worked.

Catherine: 40:45

I would give this one a thumbs up. I would give this a thumbs up.

Andrew: 40:49

I liked this episode for like the next episode even better yeah.

Catherine: 40:53

I really liked the next episode, but I think a lot of that was the. The guest stars, yeah R. The guest stars, yeah Rue. That was some serious talent.

Andrew: 41:00

Thank you for being a friend.

Catherine: 41:03

But okay, let's finish this one. Yes, we liked this episode.

Andrew: 41:06

Yes, so the one little bit of trivia is our good friend and your good friend, beth Grant.

Catherine: 41:16

Yes.

Andrew: 41:17

Marianne Marie Beadle.

Catherine: 41:18

We're friends now.

Andrew: 41:19

We're friends, we're all friends, everybody's friends.

Catherine: 41:21

Yes, yes, marianne, marie Beadle, we're friends now. We're friends, we're all friends, everybody's friends.

Andrew: 41:23

Yes, she shows up in an episode of Pushing Daisies called Comfort Food. Yes, she represents Muffin Buffalo in the episode in a cook-off against Ned. So I have to watch that episode now. I don't know where Pushing Daisies is. If anywhere, I'll probably have to find it. Episode now. I don't know where Pushing Daisies is. If anywhere, I'll probably have to find it on YouTube. Yeah, I would imagine, but definitely have to check that episode out to see Marianne Marie Beadle once again. And Muffin Buffalo. I hope she still has the apron. I would die if she still had the apron on. That would be amazing.

Catherine: 41:57

I bet she does.

Andrew: 42:01

We'll have to. We'll have to check that and find out. But so that that was. That was that's what I've got for the episode. Do you have anything any last parting thoughts words on on your side? I don't think so. No. Don't call people fat Squatch. Don't call people fat Squatch or the portly Chupacabra or fat cat, fat anything Exactly. Yeah, that's all right. The only kind of alliteration you can is that alliteration.

Catherine: 42:34

No, that's just rhyming.

Andrew: 42:35

That's just rhyming. The only rhyming you can do is like that's a fat rat. Yeah, that's a rhyming.

Catherine: 42:39

The only rhyming you can do is like that's a fat rat, yeah, that's a fat cat.

Andrew: 42:42

Sorry, Mulder, mulder oh.

Catherine: 42:46

I have the fattest cat of all 12 pounds, oh my goodness. Yeah well, let's see what Jordy weighs, because I would guess he's pushing 20.

Andrew: 42:52

I can't wait. Well, Linus and Leo were 21, 22 pounds at one point.

Catherine: 43:00

They looked like they were about to burst. Geordie is like meant to be that big.

Andrew: 43:04

Geordie is definitely just meant to be a big cat. He's a huge cat. Yes, there are many cats in our lives, past and present.

Catherine: 43:11

As I pointed out earlier tonight, when we first got Geordie he was so big they thought he was a fully grown cat. He was still a kitten.

Andrew: 43:22

He was totally a kitten. He's doubled in size since then. His fur grew out.

Catherine: 43:26

Oh yeah, oh my God, I was looking at pictures from when we first brought him home and his fur was so short and he was so obviously young and like remember the level of energy he had, oh yeah. And now he's just enormous.

Andrew: 43:42

He is an enormous feline and I love him to death.

Catherine: 43:46

Me too. He's such a good boy.

Andrew: 43:47

Yes, he is All right. So, having talked about our cats, yes, I can talk about more.

Catherine: 43:54

We have others. We could talk all night about the cats. We have a three-legged cat. We've got.

Andrew: 43:59

We've got blind cat.

Catherine: 43:59

We have a three-legged cat. We've got them all. We've got two black cats in the mix.

Andrew: 44:02

That's right, both are lunatics, and not a single dumb orange cat in the lot.

Catherine: 44:08

No, we've got two kind of standoffish tabby girls. We've got two kind of lunatic black cats. Yes, we do. We've got a molder.

Andrew: 44:17

There's a molder A gray little potato. A, we've got a molder. There's a molder a gray little potato, a little beached whale a little walrus, he's got those big whiskers, his walrus whiskers.

Catherine: 44:25

We've got a blind cat. We do the cat without fear.

Andrew: 44:29

A little daredevil. Anyway, again, we could talk about that all night. Yes, we could. All right, so that wraps up this episode. That wraps up this episode. Muffin buffalo, muffin buffalo, potato, potato, potato, potato. You say potato, I say muffin buffalo. Nice, well done. Anyway, thank you all for listening yet again. Catch us next episode and please follow us on social media. We're at least on Instagram. I think on TikTok as well. Not so much, but we're there and you can text us. You can text us. You can check out our podcast, wwwseason2.tv.

Catherine: 45:15

That's our website, not our podcast.

Andrew: 45:17

They're listening to the podcast. It's the website for the podcast. Okay, we'll say that. Then, to check out the website for the podcast, check out wwwseason2.tv. Very nice, thank you. I liked that. Thank you, anyway. Catch us next episode in about two weeks, episode 7. Barrel Bear, barrel Bear, bear, barrel bear, featuring the one, the only, the inimitable, ru mcclanahan, and nurse ratchet, and nurse ratchet. Thank you everyone, bye, bye.